{"id":12943,"date":"2018-05-25T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-05-25T04:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/westworld-season-2-episode-5\/"},"modified":"2022-07-06T01:03:54","modified_gmt":"2022-07-06T05:03:54","slug":"westworld-season-2-episode-5","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-season-2-episode-5\/","title":{"rendered":"Westworld Season 2 Episode 5"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div id=\"attachment_10064\" style=\"width: 190px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10064\" class=\"wp-image-10064 size-full\" src=\"\/tv\/wp-content\/uploads\/Westworld-Theories.jpg\" alt=\"Westworld Telegraph\" width=\"180\" height=\"122\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-10064\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Have a Theory? <a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share It Now!<\/a><\/strong><\/p><\/div> Hey Guys, <\/p>\n<p>1.  I don&#8217;t believe the minds of the James<br \/>\nDelos bots could be produced merely from<br \/>\nobservations of Delos&#8217; behavior, because the<br \/>\nonly way to accurately duplicate his<br \/>\nmemories, instincts, etc., would require a<br \/>\ndeep scan of his brain and a mapping of his<br \/>\nneural connections.  Anything less would<br \/>\nresult in a poor imitation, and it would be<br \/>\ncrazy for anyone (in particular Delos) to<br \/>\nconsider a poor imitation to be an extended<br \/>\nlifespan.<\/p>\n<p>In my opinion, even a perfect duplicate<br \/>\nshould not be considered an extended<br \/>\nlifespan, because the death of the original<br \/>\nperson is an ending of the original person.<br \/>\nI think the only way to really avoid death<br \/>\nwould be to gradually replace tiny pieces of<br \/>\none&#8217;s brain with functionally equivalent<br \/>\npieces over a series of many surgeries. That<br \/>\nwould provide continuity of selfness, and<br \/>\nthere wouldn&#8217;t be a time you could reasonably<br \/>\nsay was a time of death.<\/p>\n<p>(If one desired, one could replace some<br \/>\npieces of one&#8217;s brain with enhanced pieces<br \/>\ninstead of perfect copies &#8212; in order to gain<br \/>\nadditional knowledge or skills &#8212; without<br \/>\ncompromising one&#8217;s continuity or selfness.<br \/>\nIn the actual world, brains continually<br \/>\nchange and become very different from what<br \/>\nthey were a few years ago, yet that<br \/>\ncompromises selfness only in the case of<br \/>\nbrain injuries or diseases such as Alzheimer&#8217;s.)<\/p>\n<p>2.  James Delos and the Delos bots presumably<br \/>\nbelieved they had privacy when they<br \/>\nmasturbated, because from the inside of their<br \/>\nhabitats the walls appeared opaque.<\/p>\n<p>3.  I disagree that the parks were created<br \/>\nfor Eurocentric guests. The Chinese audio at<br \/>\nthe Mesa high speed train station proves they<br \/>\nhad Chinese-speaking guests, and the Japanese<br \/>\nspoken in Shogunworld is compelling evidence<br \/>\nthey had Japanese-speaking guests.  Any<br \/>\ndistortions of the Edo culture are the<br \/>\nresponsibility of Nolan &#038; Joy, who presumably<br \/>\nare catering to the tastes of a mostly<br \/>\nAmerican tv audience.<\/p>\n<p>4.  It hasn&#8217;t been established that it was<br \/>\nFord who programmed Maeve&#8217;s &#8220;Escape&#8221;<br \/>\nnarrative, or engineered her awakening (or<br \/>\nher current narrative, if she&#8217;s not awake).<br \/>\nIn season one, didn&#8217;t some hosts hear<br \/>\nArnold&#8217;s voice?  That might have been old<br \/>\nmemories of conversations those hosts had<br \/>\nwith Arnold decades before, but it might have<br \/>\nbeen present day conversations with an Arnold<br \/>\nAI, who programmed Maeve.  Other candidates<br \/>\nfor Maeve&#8217;s secret programmer are Theresa,<br \/>\nCharlotte, Bernard and\/or Emily.<\/p>\n<p>5.  There have been four video versions of<br \/>\nDune: (5.1) the original<br \/>\ntheatrically-released version, (5.2) the<br \/>\nre-released version (from which David Lynch<br \/>\ninsisted his name be removed), (5.3) the<br \/>\nfan-produced combination of the first two,<br \/>\nand (5.4) the SyFy Channel&#8217;s two Dune<br \/>\nminiseries (based on the three novels Dune,<br \/>\nChildren of Dune and Dune Messiah).  The<br \/>\nfan-produced combo is better than the first<br \/>\ntwo, and the SyFy miniseries were okay.  If<br \/>\nyou want to see Patrick Stewart badly hamming<br \/>\nup his scenes before he became famous as Star<br \/>\nTrek TNG&#8217;s Captain Picard, watch one of the<br \/>\nfirst three.  If you want to see Duncan<br \/>\nIdaho&#8217;s clone with DNA-based memories, watch<br \/>\nthe second of the two SyFy miniseries, titled<br \/>\n&#8220;Children of Dune.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>6.  Clementine met her doppelbot in the scene<br \/>\njust before Sizemore warned Maeve about what<br \/>\ncan go wrong when a host meets his\/her doppelbot.<\/p>\n<p>7.  People should be more careful not to<br \/>\nmisquote dialogue.  For example, Lawrence&#8217;s<br \/>\ndaughter didn&#8217;t tell the Man in Black to<br \/>\nthink about &#8220;his beginning.&#8221;  She said &#8220;if<br \/>\nyou&#8217;re looking forward you&#8217;re looking in the<br \/>\nwrong direction.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t imply he<br \/>\nshould look all the way back to the beginning<br \/>\nof something.  Perhaps he only needs to look<br \/>\nback a few days or weeks, or to the death of<br \/>\nhis wife.<\/p>\n<p>For another example, it wasn&#8217;t only a third<br \/>\nof the backups that were destroyed.  &#8220;The<br \/>\nhost backups have all been destroyed.&#8221;  The<br \/>\nreason Delos &#8220;lost&#8221; only a third of their IP<br \/>\ndata is because two thirds is still available<br \/>\nin the heads of the two thirds of the hosts<br \/>\nwho aren&#8217;t &#8220;virgins.&#8221;  Note: the word &#8220;lost&#8221;<br \/>\nonly means &#8220;missing&#8221; in this context; the<br \/>\noriginal control units of the now-virgins<br \/>\nmight still be located and should not be<br \/>\npresumed destroyed.  QA should urgently try<br \/>\nto determine why the original control units<br \/>\nwere removed and where they might be now&#8230;<br \/>\nin particular whether any of them might have<br \/>\nbeen installed in different hosts.<\/p>\n<p>Question: Wouldn&#8217;t the parks have hidden<br \/>\ncameras so guests would be observed even when<br \/>\nno hosts are around?  Wouldn&#8217;t that data be<br \/>\nstored somewhere and backed up somewhere else?<\/p>\n<p>Note: Best practice is to backup valuable<br \/>\ndata in multiple locations, to guard against<br \/>\ncatastrophes.<\/p>\n<p>8.  Regarding the nameless technician forced<br \/>\nby Dolores to use a tablet to adjust Teddy,<br \/>\nand the question why he didn&#8217;t also adjust<br \/>\nDolores&#8230; he was being watched.  He&#8217;d have<br \/>\nbeen afraid that if he tried to switch the<br \/>\ntablet from Teddy&#8217;s account to Dolores&#8217;<br \/>\naccount it would have been seen, and followed<br \/>\nby terrible punishment.  A related question:<br \/>\nBernard had a tablet too; why didn&#8217;t he<br \/>\nadjust Dolores?<\/p>\n<p>9.  Why did Bernard claim the Mesh Network<br \/>\nwas down?  It wasn&#8217;t down when Maeve<br \/>\ncontrolled a ninja and a samurai army, and it<br \/>\nwasn&#8217;t down earlier when Bernard used it to<br \/>\nlocate Peter Abernathy.  Assuming Bernard<br \/>\nlied, it was because he needed an excuse to<br \/>\nplug in directly to the hosts.  Either the<br \/>\ndirect connection gave him additional access<br \/>\nto the hosts that&#8217;s not available over the<br \/>\nMesh Network, or it allowed his interactions<br \/>\nwith the hosts to be private and\/or secure.<\/p>\n<p>10.  The Shogun&#8217;s hearing was fine.  Why<br \/>\ndidn&#8217;t Maeve try to tame him with a narrative<br \/>\nof compliance, or at least a narrative of<br \/>\npeaceful parley?<\/p>\n<p>11.  In the first scene of the episode,<br \/>\nBernard intently observed surgical<br \/>\nextractions of control units from host skulls<br \/>\nas if it was all very new to him&#8230; and maybe<br \/>\nhis purpose was to learn how it&#8217;s done.  A<br \/>\nminute later, after Bernard spotted Teddy&#8217;s<br \/>\ncorpse, he spent a long time gazing at the<br \/>\ncorpse, and at the end of the scene he was<br \/>\nstill gazing at it, which makes that seem<br \/>\nvery significant. I&#8217;m inclined to believe the<br \/>\n&#8220;Bernard is Teddy&#8221; theory.<\/p>\n<p>12.  In the first scene, the leader of QA<br \/>\nordered his trooper to have Peter Abernathy<br \/>\nbrought to him personally when Abernathy is<br \/>\nfound.  Charlotte wasn&#8217;t in the episode&#8230;<br \/>\nhas her plotting been discovered, and has she<br \/>\nbeen deposed?  Or perhaps she&#8217;s been killed.<\/p>\n<p>Steve Eppley <p><strong>Subscribe Now<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Android:\u00a0<a title=\"Android\" href=\"https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-android\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-android<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Apple\/iTunes:\u00a0<\/em><a title=\"iTunes\" href=\"https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-itunes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-itunes<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><u>Help Support the Podcast<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Contact Us: <a href=\"\/contact\/\">https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/contact<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Commission Movie: <a href=\"\/support\/\">https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/support<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Support with Paypal: <a href=\"\/paypal\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/paypal<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Support With Venmo: <a href=\"\/venmo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/venmo<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Shop Merchandise: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/shop\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.shatpod.com\/shop<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Shop Amazon With Our Affiliate Link &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/?tag=shatmovies-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/?tag=shatmovies-20<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Theme Song &#8211;\u00a0<a title=\"The Ecstasy Of Gold\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/album\/hip-hop-feat.-western-fistful\/id383104544\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">&#8220;The Ecstasy Of Gold&#8221; (Hip Hop Instrumental Version)<\/a> \u00a0by\u00a0<a title=\"Dj 2 Bad\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/artist\/dj-2-bad\/id380839995\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dj 2 Bad<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Outro Music &#8211; By <a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/simonsteric\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Simon Eric Haywood<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hey Guys, 1. I don&#8217;t believe the minds of the James Delos bots could be produced merely from observations of Delos&#8217; behavior, because the only way to accurately duplicate his memories, instincts, etc., would require a deep scan of his brain and a mapping of his neural connections. 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