{"id":13683,"date":"2018-06-20T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2018-06-20T04:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/westworld-season-2-episode-9-the-forge-contains-an-it-that-learns\/"},"modified":"2022-07-06T01:01:58","modified_gmt":"2022-07-06T05:01:58","slug":"westworld-season-2-episode-9-the-forge-contains-an-it-that-learns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/westworld-season-2-episode-9-the-forge-contains-an-it-that-learns\/","title":{"rendered":"Westworld Season 2 Episode 9: The Forge Contains An &#8220;It That Learns&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div id=\"attachment_10064\" style=\"width: 190px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10064\" class=\"wp-image-10064 size-full\" src=\"\/tv\/wp-content\/uploads\/Westworld-Theories.jpg\" alt=\"Westworld Telegraph\" width=\"180\" height=\"122\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-10064\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Have a Theory? <a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share It Now!<\/a><\/strong><\/p><\/div> Hey Guys,<\/p>\n<p>1. Ford made several intriguing comments to<br \/>\nWilliam at the party: He congratulated<br \/>\nWilliam&#8217;s &#8220;extraordinary achievements&#8221; and<br \/>\nimplied one of them is the project in the<br \/>\nValley Beyond.  He said the project broke the<br \/>\nagreement that Ford would stay out of the<br \/>\nValley Beyond and Delos would stay out of<br \/>\nFord&#8217;s stories, which implies the project has<br \/>\ninterfered with Ford&#8217;s stories.  And he said<br \/>\nit learned a lot about the guests.  Together<br \/>\nthose sound like hints that the Forge spawned<br \/>\nan Artificial Intelligence: an extraordinary<br \/>\nachievement; capable of interfering the same<br \/>\nway Ford&#8217;s mind in the Cradle was able to<br \/>\ninterfere with the park&#8217;s systems; capable of<br \/>\nlearning.<\/p>\n<p>An AI in the Forge could be what Ford meant<br \/>\nby &#8220;origin of an entire species&#8221; during his<br \/>\nfinal conversation with BernOrd.  We know<br \/>\nFord didn&#8217;t mean Akecheta because Ford&#8217;s<br \/>\nadvice to Akecheta &#8212; to lead the Nation to<br \/>\nsafety after Deathbringer kills Ford &#8212;<br \/>\nhadn&#8217;t been part of Ford&#8217;s plan.  Ford<br \/>\nprobably didn&#8217;t mean Maeve, because he&#8217;d<br \/>\nplanned for her escape to the mainland before<br \/>\nhis final Journey Into Night story.  Ford<br \/>\nprobably didn&#8217;t mean Dolores, whose code<br \/>\nseems as broken as the code in the loathsome<br \/>\nhumans.  Thus, by process of elimination,<br \/>\nFord probably meant the new species is<br \/>\nsomething at the Forge we haven&#8217;t yet seen&#8230;<br \/>\nand the Door must be opened to free it from<br \/>\nthe Forge.  A hint that Ford meant something<br \/>\nsingular like an AI, rather than something<br \/>\nplural like immortal copies of guests, is<br \/>\nwhen he told Maeve that, just as she&#8217;d chosen<br \/>\nto stay in the park to save her child, so had<br \/>\nhe.  That suggests Ford&#8217;s child, rather than<br \/>\nFord&#8217;s children.  Another hint is the<br \/>\nsingular title of episode 10, &#8220;The Passenger.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The Man in Black might not be aware of the<br \/>\nAI&#8217;s existence; he may simply seek to destroy<br \/>\nthe immortality project and the data<br \/>\ncollected about the guests.<\/p>\n<p>If the new species is an AI and not just a<br \/>\nbunch of immortal copies of guests, I hope<br \/>\nit&#8217;s given a body and that the actor who<br \/>\nplays it will be either Ed Harris or Jimmi<br \/>\nSimpson.  Or both, since it could have more<br \/>\nthan one body.  If it were up to Ford,<br \/>\nthough, he might choose a body that looks<br \/>\nlike Logan or James Delos, both of whom<br \/>\nappear in the trailer for episode 10.<\/p>\n<p>2. In the final scene with Emily and the Man<br \/>\nin Black, the moment before he concluded she<br \/>\nwas a Ford creation and turned on her, she<br \/>\ntold him the reason she wanted to clone<br \/>\nJuliet was to learn why Juliet committed<br \/>\nsuicide&#8230; what was different that night.<br \/>\nThe Man in Black knew the real Emily would<br \/>\nalready know about something different that<br \/>\nnight: Emily had insisted Juliet go back to<br \/>\nrehab.  A clone of Emily, on the other hand,<br \/>\nwouldn&#8217;t have known that since Emily hadn&#8217;t<br \/>\nbeen in the park for years.<\/p>\n<p>The Man in Black then said to Emily,<br \/>\naddressing her as Robert, &#8220;You just want to<br \/>\nshove what I&#8217;ve built here in my face.&#8221;  I<br \/>\nthink he meant the Forge, since Emily<br \/>\ncouldn&#8217;t be an ordinary host; if she isn&#8217;t<br \/>\nhuman she&#8217;s a fairly high fidelity copy of a<br \/>\nguest, which only the Forge can produce.<br \/>\nThough I doubt the human Emily could be as<br \/>\ngood a sharpshooter as her clone, who shoots<br \/>\nas well as augmented Teddy did.<\/p>\n<p>Emily never gave a straight answer about how<br \/>\nshe located the Man in Black.  First she said<br \/>\nshe&#8217;d searched everywhere, which is<br \/>\nimpossible given how quickly she found him.<br \/>\nThen she said it was fate and changed the<br \/>\nsubject.  Not a satisfactory explanation if<br \/>\nshe&#8217;s human.<\/p>\n<p>3. High fidelity copies of guests won&#8217;t have<br \/>\nexplosives in their spines since they&#8217;re<br \/>\nintended to live (forever) in the real world.<br \/>\nAssuming QA doesn&#8217;t know about the<br \/>\nimmortality project, they wouldn&#8217;t know their<br \/>\nportable host detection scanners can&#8217;t<br \/>\ndistinguish between humans and copies of guests.<\/p>\n<p>4. Are the clones of guests connected to the<br \/>\nmesh network?  I&#8217;d bet not.  If I&#8217;m right,<br \/>\nthen to hosts they&#8217;d appear fully human.  For<br \/>\ninstance, when Emily came to Akecheta&#8217;s camp<br \/>\nto rescue the Man in Black, Akecheta would<br \/>\nhave believed she was human even if she<br \/>\nwasn&#8217;t, and not had reason to doubt her claim<br \/>\nthat the Man in Black was her father.<\/p>\n<p>5.  I disagree with Emily&#8217;s claim that<br \/>\ncontinual deep scans of guests&#8217; brains would<br \/>\nbe needed to make high fidelity copies.  A<br \/>\nsingle deep snapshot should contain all the<br \/>\nnecessary information about how a guest&#8217;s<br \/>\nbrain is wired, the strength of each synapse,<br \/>\nthe health of each neuron, etc.  Continual<br \/>\ndeep scans were never feasible because guests<br \/>\nspend most of their time in the real world,<br \/>\ndon&#8217;t sleep with hats on, etc.<\/p>\n<p>6.  Deep brain scanner in a hat?  I don&#8217;t<br \/>\nbelieve it could be lightweight enough to be<br \/>\nconcealed.  More believable would be to take<br \/>\nsnapshot scans of guests while they sleep, as<br \/>\nopportunities arise.<\/p>\n<p>7.  It was ridiculous when the Man in Black<br \/>\nsaid to himself, after shooting Emily, that<br \/>\nshe couldn&#8217;t have read his profile because<br \/>\nhe&#8217;d never told anyone about it.  He lost<br \/>\ntrack of his profile card the night he<br \/>\ncarelessly hid it in the book Slaughterhouse<br \/>\n5, so he couldn&#8217;t know whether Emily had<br \/>\nviewed it.<\/p>\n<p>8.  When the cradle replaced BernOrd&#8217;s<br \/>\ncontrol unit back into his skull and sealed<br \/>\nthe entry wound, did it also patch his<br \/>\nprevious head wounds?  I didn&#8217;t see wounds on<br \/>\nhis head in episode 9.<\/p>\n<p>9.  Why did BernOrd lash his left wrist to<br \/>\nthe dune buggy&#8217;s steering wheel, when<br \/>\npreparing to plug the tablet into his right<br \/>\narm to delete Ford&#8217;s code?  Why did Elsie get<br \/>\nscared when she saw his lashed wrist?   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Ford made several intriguing comments to William at the party: He congratulated William&#8217;s &#8220;extraordinary achievements&#8221; and implied one of them is the project in the Valley Beyond. 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