{"id":16102,"date":"2019-05-23T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2019-05-23T04:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/aryas-and-jons-endings-make-sense\/"},"modified":"2022-07-06T00:35:33","modified_gmt":"2022-07-06T04:35:33","slug":"aryas-and-jons-endings-make-sense","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/shatpod.com\/tv\/aryas-and-jons-endings-make-sense\/","title":{"rendered":"Arya&#8217;s and Jon&#8217;s Endings Make Sense"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div id=\"attachment_10663\" style=\"width: 190px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-10663\" class=\"wp-image-10663 size-full\" src=\"\/tv\/wp-content\/uploads\/Game-of-Thrones-Theories.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"180\" height=\"122\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-10663\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Have a Theory? <a href=\"mailto:hosts@shatpod.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Share It Now!<\/a><\/strong><\/p><\/div>Gene &#038; Big D:<\/p>\n<p>While I&#8221;ve been a loyal listener for many years, this is the first time I&#8221;ve sought to make contact. <\/p>\n<p>As for my thoughts surrounding the GOT Series Finale.  I pretty much called several key points:  I predicted Jon would cut down Daenerys before she could sit upon the Iron Throne which would lead to his again &#8220;taking the Black&#8221; only I thought he would do it voluntarily. Small difference. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d heard the leak about the Dragon Pit &#8220;Kings Council&#8221; and predicted  it&#8221;s members would consist of Bran Stark, Robyn Arryn, Edmure Tully, Yohn Royce, the New Prince of Dorn, Ser Davos, Yara Greyjoy and Tyrion.  AND while I said he would be named Prime Minister and not King, I did accurately predict Bran Stark as the new Westrosi head of state.   Finally, I knew Sam would show up the &#8220;History of Westeros After the Reign of Robert Baratheon&#8221;, now titled &#8220;The Song of Ice and Fire.&#8221;           Not bad &#8211; huh?<\/p>\n<p>Anyway &#8211; I have some initial reactions to the finale.  First, I think it would be helpful to those who think naming Bran as King was &#8220;totally out of the blue&#8221; to go back to Season One Episode One &#8220;Winter Is Coming&#8221;.  If they do, they&#8221;ll notice that that show was almost entirely focused on Bran.  Perhaps GRMM and the Double D&#8221;s were alerting us to that fact that the central character of this new Game of Thrones show is this young boy.  And the story they&#8221;re about to tell is HIS. <\/p>\n<p>One really should not be surprised by Jon&#8221;s apparent joy in returning to the Nights Watch.  Going back to the first season, probably the only decision that he ever made that was not circumstantial and\/or forced upon him was his &#8216;taking the Black&#8221;.  So why wouldn&#8217;t he be pleased to return there?           Likewise, Arya&#8221;s decision to &#8220;sail away&#8221; was foretold in Season Six Episode Eight&#8221;s &#8220;No One.&#8221;  After being stabbed by the waif, Arya is bandaged-up by Lady Crane Who asks where she&#8221;ll go now that this assassin is trying to kill her.  Arya responds saying, &#8220;What&#8221;s West of Westeros &#8211; nobody knows &#8211; that&#8221;s where all the maps stop &#8211; I&#8221;d like to see that.&#8221;  So &#8211; no surprise there.  And I LOVE that the last shots we see of her in Sunday&#8221;s finale mirror Season Four Episode 10 &#8220;The Children&#8221;.  Only instead of being bound for Braavos and her new life as a faceless man, she&#8221;s bound for another really new life in places unknown. <\/p>\n<p>However, like many, I do have questions regarding Sunday&#8221;s show.            &#8212;  Why was Tyrion left out of &#8220;The Song of Ice and Fire&#8221;?  This is seemingly a joke for joke&#8221;s sake that totally undermines the accuracy and value of that very book!           <\/p>\n<p>Why did Brianne not write in &#8220;The White Book&#8221; that Jamie Lannister anointed the first female knight in history?   Also, why did she not correct the entry stating that &#8220;Joffrey 1 was killed by Tyrion Lannister.&#8221;  At the very least maybe she could have added the words &#8220;allegedly&#8221; or &#8220;charged with&#8221; or &#8220;found guilty of&#8221;?<\/p>\n<p>Why didn&#8217;t we get a scene where Tormund greets Jon upon his return to Castle Black and says something like &#8220;So Jamie Lannister is dead  &#8211; hmmm  &#8211; too bad.  So where&#8221;s the Big Woman?&#8221;  It&#8221;s obvious that the Double D&#8221;s are going for humor in a few places yet they totally missed this opportunity.           <\/p>\n<p>Why were the Dothraki not represented on the Council deciding the new king? They sacrificed more and traveled farther than anyone to get there and were Dany&#8221;s first loyalist supporters.  Dany&#8221;s death created a need for them to choose a new Kal &#8211; so why wasn&#8217;t that person present? <\/p>\n<p>Why was Sansa and The North allowed to withdraw from the Seven Kingdoms?  Surely Yara Greyjoy and probably the new Prince of Dorn would demand the same. <\/p>\n<p>Why was Grey Worm and his Unsullied allowed so much control in those Dragon&#8221;s Pit discussions?  There should&#8221;ve been at least one episode after &#8220;The Bells&#8221; and &#8220;The Iron Throne&#8221; in which we would see the various kingdoms reacting to the events in those episodes.  Perhaps then we would also see Sansa and her Northern armies actually surround what&#8221;s left of Kings Landing so that when she warns Gray Worm against harming Jon, we&#8221;d know she really had the stronger hand.<\/p>\n<p>Why the hell is Ser Bronn of the Blackwater on the King&#8221;s Small Council &#8211; as Master of Coin noless???  Agreed, he&#8221;s now Lord of Highgarden, one of the richest realms until it was sacked by Jamie and the Lannister armies before Dany and Drogon&#8221;s Loot Train Attack in Season Seven Episode Three &#8220;The Queen&#8221;s Justice&#8221;.  But it&#8221;s not so rich anymore &#8211; so why is this sell-sword, this unprincipled lovable scoundrel in a position of power?  THAT makes no sense whatsoever &#8211; in ANY universe!!!<\/p>\n<p>Was Grey Worm and the Unsullied&#8221;s retiring to the Isle of Naath, Missande&#8221;s original home, a nod to book readers &#8211; or &#8211; a wink to careful viewers &#8211; or &#8211; just another giant plot hole?  Probably the latter I feel. The former would be based on GRMM&#8221;s writing where what has protected this island of innocents for centuries was their inborn immunity to &#8220;Butterfly Fever&#8221; transmitted by certain &#8220;butterflies&#8221; (&#8216;with wings as big as a man&#8221;s hand&#8221;) indigenous to that location.  That fever is fatal to all those who remain on the island for more than a few hours.  So are we being told with a bit of a wink that they are heading to their deaths?  For careful viewers: were we told by Missande of these killer butterflies in some earlier episode&#8221;s narrative &#8211; one that I cannot recall at this time?  I guess a planned re-watch will answer that.  If that were the case, that would be another not-so-obvious way of telling us the Unsullied were sailing to their doom.  Or:  was this just another pointless plot hole? <\/p>\n<p>Other observations:<br \/>\n&bull; Those who assail Bran for knowing what was going to happen all along &#8211; and doing nothing to stop Sansa&#8221;s suffering at the hand of Ramsey Bolton, Arya&#8221;s blinding and abuse or The Red Wedding &#8212; are missing an important point.  He doesn&#8217;t really know what he&#8221;s seeing when he sees it.  He&#8221;s said he totally lacks perspective and context.  And &#8211; he&#8221;d been taught by the Three-Eyed Raven never to intercede (a la Season Six Episode Three&#8221;s &#8220;Oathbreaker&#8221; where he encounters a young Ned Stark at the Tower of Joy) &bull;Re: Jamie and Cersei&#8221;s demise &#8211; didn&#8217;t we see the ceilings cave-in and bury them?  How then could Tyrion have located them so easily.  It&#8221;s like being buried in some sub-basement of the World Trade Towers and somehow being found at the top of the pile of rubble.<br \/>\n&bull;I love how the Double D&#8221;s set-up Jon&#8221;s decision to kill Dany.  FIRST: Arya had to say she knows a killer when she sees one, which sent him on a mission to feel out Tyrion&#8221;s thoughts on the matter.  Where it not for Arya&#8221;s comment, he probably would&#8221;ve just gone directly to Dany, who would&#8221;ve somehow manipulated him into delaying his taking her out.  SECOND:  Tyrion finally had to point out to Jon that if he didn&#8217;t kill her NOW &#8211; RIGHT NOW &#8211; there&#8221;d be little doubt that she would in short order, go after Sansa (and probably Arya as well) <\/p>\n<p>HATS OFF to Ramin Djawadi, Michele Clapton, Deb Riley and the various Cinematographers, Directors, Special Effects people &#8211; and above all &#8211; the Actors!  Peter Dinklage in particular deserves multiple Emmy&#8221;s for his work this season. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8221;m sure in time I&#8221;ll have more questions &#8211; and hopefully perhaps more answers. <\/p>\n<p>For now, let me just once again agree with you that most of what happened made sense.  They just could&#8221;ve done a much better job at real plot development  As you&#8221;ve been saying, foretelling and foreshadowing is not the same as real plot development. When we rely on the former, we react with shock.  With the latter, we&#8221;re just surprised &#8211; like the beheading of Ned Stark or the Red Wedding. <\/p>\n<p> Anyway &#8211; Peace Out &#8211; and Valar Morghulis!<\/p>\n<p>Howard E.<br \/>\nBeacon Falls, CT.<p><strong>Subscribe Now<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Android:\u00a0<a title=\"Android\" href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-android\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-android<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Apple\/iTunes:\u00a0<\/em><a title=\"iTunes\" href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-itunes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-itunes<\/em><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><strong><u>Help Support the Podcast<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><em>Support with Paypal &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/paypal\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/paypal<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Support With Venmo \u2013\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/venmo.com\/ShatPodcasts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/venmo.com\/ShatPodcasts<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Shop \/ Merchandise: <a href=\"https:\/\/teespring.com\/stores\/shat-on-podcasts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/shop<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Shop Amazon With Our Affiliate Link &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/?tag=shatmovies-20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/?tag=shatmovies-20<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Sponsor&#8217;s Listener Survey &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/survey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/survey<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Leave an iTunes Review &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-review\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/game-of-thrones-review<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Leave a Voicemail &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"tel:914-719-7428\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">(914) 719-SHAT<\/a> &#8211; <a href=\"tel:914-719-7428\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">(914) 719-7428<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Feeds &amp; Social Media &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/shatontv.com\/subscribe-and-follow\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/shatontv.com\/subscribe-and-follow\/<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Checkout our Movie Podcast &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/shatthemovies.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/shatthemovies.com<\/a><\/em><\/li>\n<li><em>Theme Song &#8211;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=NB_oIItJ0ZM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">&#8220;Seven Nation Army (Epic Orchestral Cover)&#8221;<\/a>\u00a0&#8211; Ciaran Burch<\/em><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gene &#038; Big D: While I&#8221;ve been a loyal listener for many years, this is the first time I&#8221;ve sought to make contact. 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