Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish Vs Varys

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so its been a few hours since my last message. no longer buzzed but on my third re-watch and now first listen through of the instacast and ill go back to my previous rantings.

really LISTEN to what little finger is doing with the stark kids. he is trying to manipulate them. once bran is back home he runs to his side to give him the dagger AND AGAIN confess to ANOTHER stark male that he LOVED catelyn stark that he wished he could have saved her and taken the knife that cut her throat and stopped it. he is trying OH SO HARD to convince all the Starks (including jon before he went south) that he is on their side. he is DESPERATE to have people believe him. Bran reciting EXACTLY WHAT LITTLE FINGER SAID TO VARYS WHILE THEY WERE STILL WORKING FOR CERSI WHILE THEY WERE IN THE FUCKING IRON THRONE ROOM

in case you needed the citation for it heres the entire exchange: Lord Varys: A thousand blades, taken from the hands of Aegon’s fallen enemies. Forged in the fiery breath of Balerion the Dread. Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: There aren’t a thousand blades. There aren’t even two hundred. I’ve counted. Lord Varys: Heh. I’m sure you have. Ugly old thing.

Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: It has a certain appeal.
Lord Varys: The Lysa Arryn of chairs. Shame you had to settle for your second choice. Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: Early days, my friend. It is flattering really, you feeling such dread at the prospect of me getting what I want. Lord Varys: Thwarting you has never been my primary ambition, I promise you. Although, who doesn’t like to see their friends fail now and then. Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: You’re so right. For instance, when I thwarted your plan to give Sansa Stark to the Tyrells, if I’m going to be honest, I did feel an unmistakable sense of enjoyment there. But your confidant, the one who fed you information about my plans, the one you swore to protect… you didn’t bring her any enjoyment, and she didn’t bring me any enjoyment. She was a bad investment on my part. Luckily, I have a friend who wanted to try something new. Something daring. And he was so grateful to me for providing this fresh experience. Lord Varys: I did what I did for the good of the realm.

Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: The realm. Do you know what the realm is? It’s the thousand blades of Aegon’s enemies, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it’s a lie. Lord Varys: But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all. Petyr ‘Littlefinger’ Baelish: Chaos isn’t a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.

now, you can say a lot about this back and forth between varys and little finger, what i will point out, and this circles back to D’s theory about varys, but WHY out of all the conversations that bran could have brought us back to, all the snippets of conversations he must have knowledge of by now, why choose this one? Its clear now from the small council emails and just exhausting each plot to the very end, GoT seems to have this fancy for having the two sides of every character. you always have this one character, split down two paths. I will say it again as i have said it before, Varys is the equal and opposite to Little Finger. This i believe has been laid clearly before us throughout the entire series. The writers want us to circle back to this exchange between Varys and Little Finger. Maybe weve been wrong over whose been the “good” twin and whose the “evil” twin. maybe varys is bad and is going to fuck everything over while little finger is the good one whose always just had the best intentions all along. While i highly doubt it, it could be. but more likely, and heres when we connect Big D’s theory, we were given hints last few episodes that Varys is not who we thought he was, and we are questioning his loyalty. and just as we have concocted a senario where varys is betraying dany and selling her out, now we are brought back to who varys was during the onset of this entire story. (emphasis added on the part i think is relevant). Varys is doing everything for the good of the realm. So if he really is, and i fully subscribe to this theory, if he is the one on the council who is betraying dany, it is not because he has it out for only himself and to better his place and whatever other selfish reasons one would have to hurt others. Maybe varys did what he did, informed his birds of the plans to come, in order to do what he felt was best for the outcome of this war. Maybe he knew that dany pairing up with olenna tyrell, the sandsnakes, and greyjoys was not going to give her true followers, that they were all there for their own selfish desiers to hurt Cersi, none of them were there for their love of Daneryus. Maybe he did what he did to shed her of the people who only came to her side when it benefited them, and not out of love for her, maybe he also sees that she can be unhinged at times and have traces of a “mad king” way about her and hes also pushing her to the brink of her wits to see how bad will she go.

ultimately i think it should be stated, a king (or queen) is clearly only as “good” as their council. If you surround yourself with shitty council members, you too will be a shitty king. If you do not have people that either tell you you are wrong and cant do something, or you have people who tell you that you should do something drastic that will only blow up in your face, then you will become a terrible king. We are seeing right now that Dany could have easily went off the rails at least three time (for now JUST in westros) if it were not for Tyrion and Jon and Messande and Varys. without those people guiding her and telling her look we ALL want cersi to die but you cant do this, she would be no better than the mad king.

in the alternate, cersi is up there sitting on the throne with NO council besides qypen who clearly is just as derranged as she is, and jamie who will never tell her no. this allows cersi to be as bad as she is.

So i think this whole lets focus on the fact that dany is neither good nor bad, she is a good person who can do bad things or shes a bad person who does a lot of good things, either way it doesnt really matter because at the end of the day its who she surrounds herself with that will ultimately decide if history will choose to remember her as good or bad.

i have more to say but this brief in opposition to a motion to dismiss this first count of my complaint will not type nor file itself by 4:00 so away i go. hopefully with more insight before the deep dive.

Thanks – Gillian

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